{"id":172830,"date":"2026-04-16T09:27:26","date_gmt":"2026-04-16T14:27:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.etechgs.com\/?post_type=podcast&#038;p=172830"},"modified":"2026-04-30T11:35:52","modified_gmt":"2026-04-30T11:35:52","slug":"beyond-the-surface-why-your-operating-model-is-the-secret-to-world-class-cx","status":"publish","type":"podcast","link":"https:\/\/demo.etslabs.ai\/etech26\/podcast\/beyond-the-surface-why-your-operating-model-is-the-secret-to-world-class-cx\/","title":{"rendered":"Beyond the Surface: Why Your Operating Model is the Secret to World-Class CX"},"content":{"rendered":"<section id=\"listen\" class=\"cta-strip\">\n<div class=\"section-inner\"><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\" data-contrast=\"auto\">In today\u2019s experience-driven world, organizations are\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"font-size: 16px;\" data-contrast=\"auto\">always looking for ways to improve customer experience.<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/section>\n<section id=\"listen\" class=\"cta-strip\">\n<div class=\"section-inner\">\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">But often, the focus stays on\u00a0what\u2019s\u00a0visible \u2014 scripts, channels, or technology \u2014 instead of what\u00a0actually drives\u00a0results. In<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0this episode of\u00a0the\u00a0Etech\u00a0Leadership &amp; CX Podcast,\u00a0<\/span><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Jim\u00a0Iyoob<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0sits down with\u00a0<\/span><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Lance Gruner<\/span><\/b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, Founder of Lance Gruner Advisors\u00a0and\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Global CX Transformation Leader<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">, to explore how operating models shape customer experience from the inside out.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:240,&quot;335559739&quot;:240}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">From decision-making structures to process design and accountability,\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">this conversation breaks down what really helps create consistent, meaningful CX improvements.\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:240,&quot;335559739&quot;:240}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h4><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">About the Episode<\/span><\/b><\/h4>\n<h4><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;134245418&quot;:true,&quot;134245529&quot;:true,&quot;335559738&quot;:299,&quot;335559739&quot;:299}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h4>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">What really defines a great customer experience?<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:240,&quot;335559739&quot;:240}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Is it better scripts?\u00a0New technology? More training?<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:240,&quot;335559739&quot;:240}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">According to Lance, the answer goes deeper.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:240,&quot;335559739&quot;:240}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Customer experience is not just shaped by what customers see \u2014<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0it\u2019s\u00a0about how the organization\u00a0actually works\u00a0behind the scenes.<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0In this conversation, Lance shares how\u00a0organizations\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">can move beyond surface-level fixes and build a stronger operational foundation.\u00a0<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">He\u00a0explains why<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> CX strategies\u00a0don\u2019t\u00a0always turn into real\u00a0outcomes,<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\"> how alignment across processes and systems plays a critical role, and why accountability and structure are essential for consistency.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:240,&quot;335559739&quot;:240}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Through real-world examples, this episode explores how organizations can create experiences that are not only effective \u2014 but sustainable over time.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"The System Behind Great CX - From Strategy to Execution | Etech Leadership &amp; CX Podcast\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/qsWbKhvnYog?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h4><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">This Episode Answers the Following Questions and More<\/span><\/b><\/h4>\n<h4><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;134245418&quot;:true,&quot;134245529&quot;:true,&quot;335559738&quot;:299,&quot;335559739&quot;:299}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li><span data-contrast=\"auto\">What is the difference between surface-level CX improvements and foundational transformation?\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:0}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Why do CX strategies sometimes fall short during\u00a0execution?<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span data-contrast=\"auto\">How\u00a0does an operating model influence customer experience?\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:0}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span data-contrast=\"auto\">How can organizations align processes, systems, and accountability?\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:0}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span data-contrast=\"auto\">What role does AI play within a well-designed operating model?\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:0}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h4><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Top Takeaways<\/span><\/b><\/h4>\n<h4><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;134245418&quot;:true,&quot;134245529&quot;:true,&quot;335559738&quot;:299,&quot;335559739&quot;:299}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h4>\n<h5 aria-level=\"3\"><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Customer Experience Is Driven by Design<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;134245418&quot;:true,&quot;134245529&quot;:true,&quot;335559738&quot;:281,&quot;335559739&quot;:281}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h5>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Customers experience how an organization\u00a0operates\u00a0\u2014 not just what it intends to deliver.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:240,&quot;335559739&quot;:240}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h5><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Start with the Foundation,\u00a0Not\u00a0Just the\u00a0Surface<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h5>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Sustainable<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0improvements come from aligning processes, systems, and decision-making structures.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h5><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Execution Works Best When Everything Is\u00a0Aligned<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h5>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Even<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0strong strategies require the right operating model to translate into real outcomes.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h5 aria-level=\"3\"><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">AI Enhances, But Trust Defines<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;134245418&quot;:true,&quot;134245529&quot;:true,&quot;335559738&quot;:281,&quot;335559739&quot;:281}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h5>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Technology can improve efficiency, but trust and human connection still matter the most in customer interactions.<\/span><\/p>\n<h5><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Employee\u00a0Experience Shapes Customer Experience<\/span><\/b><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:240,&quot;335559739&quot;:240}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h5>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">When internal systems and processes are clear and connected, teams are better equipped to deliver consistent outcomes.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:240,&quot;335559739&quot;:240}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<h4><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Quotes from the Episode<\/span><\/b><\/h4>\n<h4><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;134245418&quot;:true,&quot;134245529&quot;:true,&quot;335559738&quot;:299,&quot;335559739&quot;:299}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cCustomers don\u2019t experience your strategy \u2014 they experience your operating model.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:0}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cThe experience your customers receive is the output of how your organization is designed to work.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:0}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cIf you want world-class CX, start with the operating model behind it.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:0}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u201cAlignment across processes and systems is what drives consistent outcomes.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:0,&quot;335559739&quot;:0}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h4><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Meet the Leaders<\/span><\/b><\/h4>\n<h4><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;134245418&quot;:true,&quot;134245529&quot;:true,&quot;335559738&quot;:299,&quot;335559739&quot;:299}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/h4>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/linkedin.com\/in\/lance-gruner-5a754\"><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Lance Gruner<\/span><\/b><\/a><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0\u2013 Founder, Lance Gruner Advisors, LLC | CX &amp; Global Operations Executive<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:240,&quot;335559739&quot;:240}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/linkedin.com\/in\/jimiyoob\"><b><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Jim\u00a0Iyoob<\/span><\/b><\/a><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u00a0\u2013 Chief Revenue Officer,\u00a0Etech\u00a0Global Services | President,\u00a0ETSLabs<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:240,&quot;335559739&quot;:240}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Watch Now: Strengthen the Foundation Behind Your CX<\/span><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Discover\u00a0how leading organizations are improving customer experience by strengthening their operating models.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">Gain practical insights on aligning processes, systems, and teams to deliver consistent and meaningful outcomes.<\/span><span data-ccp-props=\"{&quot;134233117&quot;:false,&quot;134233118&quot;:false,&quot;335559738&quot;:240,&quot;335559739&quot;:240}\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span data-contrast=\"auto\">\u25b6\ufe0f Watch the full episode<\/span><span 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